Six games, one regulation win against a Phoenix team that self-imploded.
Wait until the schedule get’s tough.
Chemistry with a team working well as a unit is a fun thing to watch as we saw for about three weeks in 2013. That looks completely gone now despite most of the same roster returning.
Yes, for this franchise it seems Mark Streit was that valuable in terms of moving the puck from defense to offense, quarterbacking the powerplay, and hitting open players with passes in spots they could finish.
Jack Capuano after the Buffalo game seemed very pleased his club just lost another late lead, and without Nabokov making the tougher saves would have lost in regulation to a win-less team on Tuesday, that had played on Monday in front of 18,000 actual people. (triple pathetic true Coliseum turnout?)
Buffalo was terrible on Tuesday. That’s why the Islanders finally got some zone time on offense. I guess Capuano cannot call out the passengers (or employ the word battle level) after every game or he losses the room.
Again expecting Frans Nielsen goals (eight straight shootout misses) is not his resume, same for Matt Martin, who scored off nice work from Cizikas, Boulton.
Bouchard looked slightly better, his open net crossbar could have turned this into a Phoenix game against a team waiting to get beat.
A powerplay goal from an outside shot deflected off Matt Moulson is not the goal Vanek scored on a perfect setup. (Hamonic lost Vanek)
Bottom line this is not a sustainable formula for winning, expect a lot more games like Chicago/Nashville if this continues against established teams that can play as a unit.
Nashville is not a good team either.
Many of those games the Islanders will be pinned in their own zone with little sustained time unless something dramatically changes.
He already seems to know a line of Moulson-Tavares-Okposo is too slow.
It was too slow come playoff time with Brad Boyes there, so again Moulson is off that line in October. Grabner could not escape the third line in the forty eight games, now he’s a top six player.
Yes it seems Capuano is pushing the panic button because he knows this is not working.
Donovan has looked no worse (even better) than Brian Strait. No one should ever be sitting for Matt Carkner.
Brock Nelson needs games, and a chance to show his 1st round draft pick offensive skills this roster desperately needs, not a seat in the stands. Nelson should never be sitting for Peter Regin, Cal Clutterbuck, Colin McDonald, Eric Boulton or Casey Cizikas.
A Defense That Cannot Score:
Diehard hockey fans, who have played will understand this point, others will not.
To quote Al Arbour on Mike Bossy: ” I can teach anyone to play defense, I cannot teach scoring.”
There are offensive defenders who know how to get a shot through traffic in a way where it will go in the net, leave a big rebound, or be redirected.
Then there are defenders who just want to get their shot off hitting the logo of the opposing goalie.
There are defenders who produce points vs those who do not.
Mark Streit had that ability which produced a lot of points.
Garth Snow saw this when he replaced Drew Fata, and Allan Rourke’s shot with Marc-Andre Bergeron, which produced 21 points/23 games in late 2006-07 with six important goals.
Yes, we all know Bergeron needed a map to play defense here, and everywhere he went afterward, but teams took a chance because he can produce points.
Moving forward Hamonic, MacDonald could produce points. At this level so far they don’t have the time, space in a much faster game for their developing skills. Hickey, Strait have not demonstrated this ability.
Visnovsky has this ability, but a lot of mileage, and seems more of a perimeter player at this stage of his career.
The fact Radek Martinek is skating suggests management feels that defender is not Aaron Ness, Calvin deHaan or anyone else in Bridgeport at this time. Perhaps management was a bit gun shy about Reinhart, but a lot of young players his age can play in this league.
The Devils kept Adam Larsson.
Reinhart’s preseason goal in Calgary off a rush was the best goal scored by a defender on this roster all season.
Is that going to be his Calvin deHaan most memorable moment years from now?
For our fans using the Niederreiter example that’s misguided judgement. Nino was a almost a full year young than Tavares when he began here, and got hurt from the last week of preseason into December, so the club never got a chance to see him with healthy/productive forwards around him which were clearly never Jay Pandolfo, or Marty Reasoner.
Nino was second on that team in hitting for a part of that season.
Did sending back Calvin deHaan to juniors ever help him between injuries?
Snow has himself locked in with Brian Streit, Thomas Hickey, they have demonstrated the ability to play strong defense at this level.
There are no easy answers. This team is trying, and still being pinned in or pushed back in most games.
If it continues to look like the team even worse than the sub-five hundred team in late March 2013, it’s going to become a long year quickly.
They may get past Edmonton/Carolina’s many weaknesses, or implode to their offensive skills. If the goaltender has to be the Islanders best player that’s not a formula for anything to build a winning team on.
Nielsen’s giving them production that likely cannot be counted on. Bailey at his age should not be expected to produce sustained numbers as he keeps moving around on the Blake Comeau plan.
Collectively they miss Mark Streit’s ability to move the puck in all three zones, and the powerplay. The club looks collectively slow in reading/reacting to plays. Yes for a good forty minutes of games Mark Streit was not on the ice in 2013 all of the same defenders who skated on this team are back. (less Martinek/Finley)
Hamonic had a nice rush against Buffalo in the second period, took the puck right up the middle, and shot at Miller, was that Hamonic or Buffalo’s poor team play?
Someone has to develop into Streit’s role, or the Islanders must become a six man defensive unit that does not score much anymore, and produce by committee which seems to be a trend in the league.
That was why Roman Hamrlik, Adrian Aucoin kept getting signed by someone.
More younger players have to give the club sustained scoring, and an offensive push that pins in the opposing team.
So far we have seen the opposite.
This may play out ok for two more games with Edmonton, Carolina. By 10/22 against Vancouver, there is no more hiding.
Either they become the team that was 11-1-2 from around March 23, 2013 to end of schedule, or they are a lesser version of the sub five hundred team for most of those forty eight games.
Please understand, everyone wants the team to win, and you take October points, however Jack Capuano’s comments say it all in how this team has struggled.
I will not do cheer-leading here, it’s about getting back to the team in April 2013, during those four weeks that limited chances/shots around twenty five, with the other team pinned in by skating/hard work, and a different line creating quality goals every game.
That’s how this team needs to play hockey.
Instead Jack Capuano’s team has largely been outplayed, out-skated, outworked in games. The scoreboard has not reflected the play beyond Nabokov carrying the club which is likely not to last.
This team should be 1-2. If Phoenix did not implode that 6-1 result is likely far different.
The power-play needs a calendar to set up a quality chance, usually from the perimeter. Visnovsky is not a player who drives the net. What can I write about Nielsen/Okposo from the outside I have not written before? They are trying their hardest.
Sure, everyone’s happy Matt Donovan scored, it was a poor goal allowed by Mike Smith, the three pass goalie by Bailey was amazing.
The rest is watching Nabokov carry the club, and them being pressured. They absolutely miss Mark Streit’s abilities to move the puck.
The past decision making suggests Brock Nelson takes a season for Cal Clutterbuck, but it could be Bouchard, maybe Cizikas.
Ok, we’ll see. Hoping for the best version of this team, but don’t expect this level of play to be any kind of answer, maybe they are simply not ready yet.
Understandable for October if ugly points keep coming, many teams are finding themselves.
Mikko Koskinen (listed as prospect by Islanders website despite not being qualified) left SEL where he’s signed through 2014-15, and is in KHL.
Griffin Reinhart was not happy at all after being returned to Edmonton, and not getting a chance here in a game.
Sound Tigers.com: Announced it’s 25-player roster is now set and consists of 14 forwards, nine defensemen, and two goaltenders.
Forwards: Chris Bruton, Jason Clark, Joe Diamond, Brett Gallant, Mike Halmo, Justin Johnson, Kirill Kabanov, Anders Lee, Greg Miller, John Persson, Alan Quine, Ryan Strome, Johan Sundstrom, Riley Wetmore
Defensemen: Marc Cantin, Mike Dalhuisen, Calvin de Haan, Joe Finley, Dallas Jackson, Mike Keenan, Scott Mayfield, Aaron Ness, Andrey Pedan
Goaltenders: Anders Nilsson, Ken Reiter
Brayden Irwin and Sean Wiles were released from their training camp tryout agreements. Both players will return to their ECHL teams, Irwin to the Stockton Thunder and Wiles to the Reading Royals.
Ct Post: Released an article on Ryan Strome & Anders Lee.
For those scoring at home that’s a defense with Cantin signed through 2014-15, deHaan a top pick still under contact, Finley who cleared waivers, Mayfield, Ness, and Pedan all signed prospects.
When you add in Reinhart (perhaps next year if he goes back to juniors) Pulock, the many defenders who must be signed next summer, it’s obvious there are simply not enough spots to accommodate every prospect selected, and likely pending UFA Andrew MacDonald.
Yes….Jesse Graham, Loic Leduc, Adam Pelech, Ville Pokka this all applies to your 5/31/14 draft rights expiring.
A lot more was done here than expected through the pre-season. Now that it comes down to sticks/pucks time for a nice break. We’ll know, when we know.
No, they are not all big, must win games.
Nothing that happened during the preseason has changed this viewpoint. Bouchard did not even make it out of camp before he was off Tavares line.
It’s going to take some very unexpected offensive steps forward from Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey, and a huge step forward from a defense with few offensive players for this franchise to make a jump that only was an 11-2-1 stretch during a short season that lasted for a few weeks where the club was sub five-hundred in late March.
The weakness and downgrades made during the summer hurt, I do not mean Brad Boyes or Keith Aucoin.
No one is going to convince me Peter Regin, Bouchard are better offensive (or physical/size options/potential) than Nino Niederreiter, Jesse Joensuu, and David Ullstrom.
Clutterbuck can play physical hockey, and has an element teams want that will help this franchise, however he’ll never have potential to produce as Niederreiter which is why you never trade young offensive potential, unless the return is the same.
Matt Martin so far has proven for all the hit numbers if you cannot produce, it only has a limited value which changes as fast as Boulton will dress (to play less than five minutes) for someone on his line.
How fast would some of you trade Matt Martin to have Niederreiter or a comparable prospect back? Exactly.
Niederreiter was not Nikita Filatov, he left Bridgeport an AHL All-Star, with a solid World Championship which followed that, he was a player who came to New York a month early to make this team as a rookie before he kept getting hurt.
Where was Niederreiter going again besides home with a signed contract, and the Islanders holding his NHL rights? It’s not like Garth Snow had to negotiate a contract last summer, nor did Niederreiter say one quoted negative word.
Bouchard’s two million dollars is comparable to what Niederreiter would have received.
Anyone who watched a healthy Jesse Joensuu the last few years could see his game dramatically improved which did not happen when he reported here injured after the lockout, and the Isles made him a healthy scratch short a few games of retaining his rights automatically so Marty Reasoner could dress?
Nothing’s been done to replace Frans Nielsen’s lack of scoring as a center whether it be Bailey, Nelson or Casey Cizikas.
Matt Donovan, Brock Nelson could surprise, (Reinhart could be a huge surprise) but expecting those players to be the answer at this point in their young careers is not realistic.
No four man forward unit replaces Mark Streit on the powerplay or his passing ability on a rush. Nielsen’s not beating goaltenders from the point with his shot on a powerplay, everyone knows he is there to pass the puck.
Now we get to see Josh Bailey/Kyle Okposo move around as they did under Scott Gordon in 2009. Both are capable of being first line players, however the sustained production is not there to merit this.
You can bet all NHL coaches will start their meetings with the following when the New York Islanders are on the menu. Give John Tavares zero room to work with, never miss a chance to put a body on him, and don’t let him beat us.
I get some writing about the 2013-14 team likely only watched a few games in April 2013, and did not bother noticing the rest. Most write worthless previews about thirty teams when they barely know anything about one team.
Perhaps those forty plus games the 2013 team led or was tired entering the third period is something the majority of the returning roster can repeat.
Again anything can happen, however what’s likely to happen is a step back to the sub five hundred club this franchise was in late March 2013.
I believe Garth Snow is as bullet proof as George McPhee is in Washington, he’s already been general manager for Charles Wang longer than Mike Milbury, but a losing year means there is nowhere for Snow to hide.
Only management knows how long Jack Capuano was extended for last summer.
Ed Mangano responded via twitter, writing he will speak with Charles Wang about releasing the letter he gave the legislature on the Bridgeport Sound Tigers.
I also asked Mangano if he could provide a date for a NIFA/TOH meeting decision on Ratner Coliseum agreement, he responded today, that he is awaiting that information.
NIFA has not met since July.
Tom Suozzi if back in office could not overturn this decision (see Wang/Smg Dec 2009 sublease) if all approved by end of calendar year.
Nassau Coliseum will close under Ratner plan from August 2015 (when Smg officially out) through Sept 2017.
Islanders website: Announced it’s 23 man roster to begin the 2013-14 season.
Ryan Pulock, the Islanders’ first pick (15th overall) in the 2013 National Hockey League Draft, has been returned to the Brandon Wheat Kings of the Western Hockey League.
Radek Martinek was released from his professional tryout agreements. ,
Bridgeport announced it’s roster/changes.
Mike Halmo, Kirill Kabanov, Anders Lee, John Persson, Alan Quine, Ryan Strome, Johan Sundstrom. Calvin de Haan, Scott Mayfield, Aaron Ness, Anders Nilsson, Joe Finley.
Forward Justin Johnson, goalie Ken Reiter were released from professional tryout agreements, while forward Riley Wetmore was released from an amateur tryout agreement. Johnson, Reiter and Wetmore will report to the Sound Tigers Training Camp, which continues Tuesday, Oct. 1.
Playing split-squad games that late in the preseason came with some expensive price-tags, despite some meaningless wins.
And sure if I’m going to be critical of the early losses, the later wins (especially the one at home against Nashville) with close to the opening roster has to be acknowledged.
No real surprises outside of Martinek, who could still be signed if Hamonic goes on IR which made Sunday’s games very expensive along with breaking up your opening night roster that late to play meaningless split season games. (No, I forgot to include the eight man veteran rule in my previous entry because those kind of games are still somewhat new)
Makes playing those split-squad games an even bigger risk at a point the roster should be final.
Maybe a trade comes/waiver pickup.
Alan Quine has left juniors, he’s now a Sound Tiger.
Islanders website: Also announced Forward Jason Clark, along with defensemen Marc Cantin and Andrey Pedan have been loaned to Bridgeport. Forward Greg Miller and defensemen Mike Dalhuisen and Mike Keenan have been released from their amateur tryout agreements (ATO), while defenseman Dallas Jackson was released from his professional tryout agreement (PTO). All seven players will report to Sound Tigers training camp, which continues Tuesday, Oct. 1.
Was looking for a Pulock ELC signing, a little later than usual.
Friday’s roster (less injuries) is likely close to the final team which means Martinek could be in some trouble or he will split time with Carkner, and Finley.
After Sunday’s games expect the second split squad team to be sent to Bridgeport/rest of the players (like Reinhart/Pulock returned to juniors unless there is an unexpected injury or trade.
There seems to be some confusion out there.
One group is practicing at Nassau Coliseum, that is mostly the players who have NHL spots or are still in competition for them.
Second group is practicing at IceWorks in Syosset. that may be players more on the outside of the NHL but this could also change quickly.
At this time the Sound Tigers website has indicated nothing about where the camp is, whether it be Webster Bank Arena, Wonderland of Ice, or Iceworks in Syosset.
John Persson, Kirill Kabanov, Aaron Ness are not getting a lot of ink or mentions.
Oddly, the Islanders will have one more split/squad game in Canada against Ottawa which is very late for such an event.
Even for preseason this collective roster has struggled badly in games outscored 13-2 in second periods, winning a game in New Jersey with two shorthanded goals, a Boulton goal out of the penalty box, one powerplay goal, and an unassisted goal among seventeen shots, it’s not impressive in terms of five on five play.
I asked Ed Mangano, Kevan Abrahams to publish the letter Charles Wang sent regarding the Bridgeport Sound Tigers presented at Monday’s legislature meeting.
Obviously Nassau County’s post 19-0 vote release makes clear the Sound Tigers are still not the AHL team Bruce Ratner will bring to the Nassau Coliseum by 2017-18 or sooner.
Highlights on twitter:
Bruce Ratner, flat out dazzled with eloquence, experience, and information. Legislature members who were voting no changed their mind.
Ratner said when plan submitted to league on Islanders playing six games at Coliseum, Dolan must approve, this has not been submitted to NHL yet.
Still murky on Sound Tigers depending on lease agreement to 2021 can be changed earlier. Ratner said he tried/will bring in another team if not Sound Tigers. Wang submitted letter on Sound Tigers to legislature.
Only feasible for Wang economically to play maximum of six Coliseum game.
Construction begins Aug 2015, will take two years for everything which would be done all at once.
Spending to retain the Islanders, increasing capacity of Nassau Coliseum was not financially viable given small scale of project.
NEC Coliseum lease with Ratner was listed as item one on agenda Ordinance. No. 134-2014
Long Island Press reported Gov Cuomo made major changes to NIFA Nassau’s Democratic Board which could hold it’s first meeting on Friday 9/27, and would be the final hurdle if legislature approval is given because the minor changes to the Coliseum’s footprint obviously fit in TOH/re-zoning.
|New York losses first ever game at Coliseum 6-4 (9/27/1972) Billy Harris goal, Glen Sather on defense.|
Kind of looked like 1972 tonight at Barclay’s Center.
This team was badly out-skated, outworked, outclassed for the entire sixty minutes with absolutely no clue how to move the puck in transition without Mark Streit to say nothing of how lost it’s powerplay looked.
I don’t care where the game was played.
The passes were slow, telegraphed, predictable, and the Isles painfully lethargic the entire game. The Devils easily read the play, and dominated from beginning to end. I’m not even sure they played very well or were forced to.
Sure it’s preseason, but this is four games now the club has been collectively outplayed for most if not all of the games, even in winning at Newark.
Last time I saw an Islander team with transition problems like this from defense to offense, it lost 2-0 opening night to the Florida at home in 2011-12, and things went down hill from there.
Now they fly to Nashville on a gameday likely with a different group.
Barclay’s Center was not the story tonight, how poorly this team competed at every level for an entire sixty minutes was.
I’m a little more interested in sticks/pucks so far then I thought, so why not a few words.
I’m well aware it’s training camp, and only seven days since the team even gathered, however it’s also painfully obvious once again the New York Islanders are taking someone they used a high draft pick on, and changing their position along with asking them to make the jump to the NHL/AHL level.
There was even a brief period of making John Tavares a wing that ended quickly as soon as he spoke up. Funny, leaving him at his natural position worked out just as expected.
Sometimes all you have to do is teach players at their natural position.
We have all seen this before with center Josh Bailey, many forwards changing wing. Brock Nelson’s been moved around a lot also, he should be an NHL center.
I asked this question a few years ago when Strome/Nelson were drafted and wondered what the team is going to do with all these natural centers?
Is drafted center Ryan Strome really going to be made an NHL/AHL winger so Frans Nielsen, Peter Regin, cannot produce in the middle? Casey Cizikas is not at their draft level talent.
Isn’t it tough enough that so far it seems Frans Nielsen is back to being Mark Streit’s powerplay replacement on point, plus he’s going to be centering two players he can only set up well?
Frans Nielsen should be a fourth line player with his production, at best he should be the checking center which means someone else in the middle who can score plays between Bailey/Okposo or Bailey moves back to his natural position.
We saw this game with Blake Comeau, he became so versatile he forgot how to score, and played his way off the Islanders when his late season hot streaks ended as soon as the next season/change of plan for him was announced but did a heck of job skating around the perimeter.
At the end Bergenheim was asked to play the off wing, he did not want to change his position.
Bottom line these are Garth Snow’s drafted talents now, not Mike Milbury’s.
Of course Ryan Strome says all the right things, they all do for a while.
“I’m definitely 100 percent comfortable there now,” Strome said of playing right wing. “I learned some habits I needed to work on, learned how to get the puck a little bit more since you’re a bit more restricted than at center. But I like it so far, I’m able to use my creativity.”
What’s so bad again about Strome-Nelson being the #1-2 centers in Bridgeport or one of them taking Peter Regin’s spot?
What’s so bad if Nielsen sets up other forwards on a lower line.
Frans Nielsen is never going to be that player.
It’s time to develop a second line center long term to take the next step as a team. Pittsburgh did not decide to make Malkin or Crosby wingers, they both play center most of the time (not powerplay) on a different line.
Jack Capuano on the day he has those options can start talking about this team winning games more than one way of playing.
Teams all over this league draft players at their natural position leave them alone, and they become very good NHL players. Sure many teams also change prospects positions from center to wing also.
I know it’s only two games, but to borrow a phrase out of Minnesota, Griffin Reinhart, screams NHL defender. He cannot beat out Matt Donovan, who obviously is ready.
Matt Carkner screams Eric Boulton’s minutes or waivers. I can see Radek Martinek or Joe Finley, not both. One’s signed, the other is here on a PTO.
I would risk Joe Finley on waivers, keep Martinek because he can skate in traffic, and is solid at moving the puck if that’s the menu. Strait/Hickey worked out that’s 2/3 so a good percentage. deHaan/Ness or someone else is going to push likely MacDonald or one of these players out of a job.
Kevin Poulin’s body movements were that of an unmade bed (even with a few very good saves) in goal for two periods against the Devils, and a few undeflected pucks that found the net were like his game against Carolina at home 2013.
He said he settled down in the third period which I missed.
I trust him to be the backup, know he can play at this level, however he has to be the goalie he was at this level a few years ago. This is camp but as a backup, he’s getting more work than usual.
Bridgeport needs one starting goaltender, not two. Based on last year that should be Anders Nilsson.